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I need to upgrade my existing wireless infrastructure and this time I want 2 access points to cover my house, since I get blind spots no matter what with a single AP. I have physical cabling to my central network available for both access points.

I would really like these two to interoperate seamlessly as a single SSID. How do I do this? What are the features that the new access points I'm buying would need to support?

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You've said you get blind spots no matter what, but for people who doesn't, this is an interesting related link: superuser.com/questions/17897/… – Cawas Mar 31 '10 at 22:26

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Multi-AP Roaming Network Background

There's no magic to making multiple-AP (roaming) 802.11 networks work. Wireless clients just assume that all APs with the same SSID are configured similarly and are all just different points of access to the same underlying wired network. A client will scan all channels looking for APs publishing the SSID it wants, and will pick whichever one suits it needs best (usually that means whichever one shows the highest signal strength).

Once on the network, clients stay with the same AP as long as it's meeting the client's needs (i.e. as long as it's signal strength is above a "good enough" threshold). If the client later thinks it could be better off with another AP on that network, it'll do periodic scans of all channels looking for other APs publishing that SSID. If a scan turns up a candidate AP that's enough better than the AP it's currently on, it'll automatically roam to the other AP, usually without so much as a missed frame.

Assuming both APs are configured similarly and are connected to the same underlying network, roaming is seamless and invisible to the user (except nerds like me who run tools to watch for these things). Roaming events are invisible to applications using the network, although some low-level parts of the network stack might be notified of the event, so that, for example, your DHCP client can double-check that this new AP really is connected to the same network, so it can be sure your DHCP lease is still valid on this network.

Some other users' Answers and Comments on this question erroneously suggested that wireless protocols or features like wireless relay or WDS might be needed for roaming, but this is absolutely incorrect. Those features are just ways to replace a wired Ethernet backhaul with a wireless one.

For the sake of completeness, I should mention that there is a set of technologies, some proprietary, some standardized in IEEE 802.11F, known generally as Inter-Access Point Protocol. IAPP is a method by which generally enterprise-class APs can communicate with each other over the backhaul to optimize client roaming. But that's just an optimization, not a prerequisite for roaming. Roaming works "well enough" on networks both small and large without any IAPP going on.

Configuration Suggestions

Give both APs the same network name (SSID), the same security type (WPA2-PSK recommended), and the same wireless security passphrase. Many clients assume that these kinds of settings will be the same across all APs with the same SSID.

Since you already have the cabling in place, use wired Ethernet as your backhaul. This saves your wireless bandwidth for your portable/mobile devices that actually need it, instead of wasting in on stationary devices like APs that could reasonably be cabled up.

If you have another device on the network, such as a broadband home gateway, providing NAT and DHCP service, then put both APs in bridge mode (turn off NAT and DHCP service). You generally only want one box on your network acting as a NAT gateway or serving DHCP. If you don't already have another device on your network doing NAT and DHCP, and you need those services, then you can have one of your APs do it. Have the more "upstream" AP (the one that's closer, topologically, to your broadband modem) do NAT and DHCP, and make sure that the wired Ethernet connection to the other AP comes from the first AP's LAN port. Also make sure that the "downstream" AP is in bridge mode. I call this out because I've seen people make the mistake of leaving NAT and DHCP enabled on both their APs, and I've seen clients that aren't smart enough to realize that, say, the 192.168.1.x/24 network they're on now is not the same 192.168.1.x/24 network they were on a moment ago in the other room. I've also seen users get confused in this situation where two laptops in the same house had 192.168.1.x addresses, but couldn't ping each other because they really on two separate IP networks behind two separate NATs.

Channel is one key setting you do want to vary from AP to AP in a roaming (multiple AP) 802.11 network. To maximize bandwidth, leave your APs to automatically select the channel to use, or you can manually pick different, non-overlapping, and hopefully unoccupied channels to use. You don't want transmissions to/from one AP to compete for bandwidth with transmissions to/from the other AP.

Additional Considerations

The rest of this answer is just a bunch of general "how to maximize your home 802.11 network bandwidth" tips, not specific to your question of two APs with the same SSID.

Consider taking this opportunity to fully modernize

If you're already buying a new AP and taking the time to reconfigure things, I'd recommend using this opportunity to replace your existing AP as well, by buying two of the latest APs that support simultaneous dual-band 802.11n technology. That way you can support both the 2.4GHz band for older clients that are 2.4GHz only, as well as the less busy 5GHz band for more bandwidth. It's becoming a "best practice" to set your 2.4GHz 802.11n radio to 20MHz (HT20) channels so that it leaves some of the band free for things like Bluetooth to use. This limits your 802.11n transmission rates in 2.4GHz to ~130mbps instead of 300mbps, but allows other non-802.11 2.4GHz devices to still work okay. In 5GHz, where there are many more channels available and they're all generally much less busy, you're encouraged to use 40MHz (HT40) channels to get maximum throughput.

I know that Apple's latest AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule (but not AirPort Express) are simultaneous dual-band 802.11n, and they also support 3-stream (a.k.a. "3x3") 802.11n, for transmission rates up to 450mbps once you get if you have 3-stream clients that can do it (Apple's clients are currently still on 2x2, so 300mbps max Apple's March 2011 "Thunderbolt" renewal of the MacBook Pro line quietly added 3x3 radios).

If you're stuck with older single-band-at-a-time APs

If you don't need to support any older 2.4GHz-only devices, use the 5GHz band since it is generally less busy, and you can use HT40 without starving Bluetooth and other uses.

If you're stuck supporting 2.4GHz-only devices with single-band-at-a-time APs, be careful of your channel selection. In the 2.4GHz band, the channels overlap to a great degree. However, channels 1, 6, and 11 don't overlap at all, so those are good choices to pick manually. You could use a Wi-Fi network scanner like NetStumbler, iStumbler, many "war driving" tools, etc. to see which channels are in use by other APs visible from where you are. If you suspect you have non-802.11 2.4GHz interferers in your area, such as Bluetooth, microwave ovens, and many (but not all) cordless phones, baby monitors, wireless webcams, and wireless room-to-room A/V senders, you could go all-out and get a spectrum analyzer like a Metageek Wi-Spy to find which channels are the least noisy where you are.

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But then what if one takes a laptop from one room to another? I'm no expert, but I'd assume WDS would take care of switching access points without ever loosing connectivity. – Arjan Mar 21 '10 at 22:51
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@Arjan I've updated my answer to address your questions. The short answer is that clients will roam just fine no matter what backhaul you use between your APs, and WDS is just a way to do a wireless backhaul in situations where using a wired backhaul is cost-prohibitive. WDS has absolutely nothing to do with roaming. – Spiff Mar 21 '10 at 23:50
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Great post, had information I'd been needing for a while - it was useful enough I found some other of your posts to upvote as well. – Joel Coehoorn Mar 22 '10 at 1:27
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@Joel - Voting up like that might seem kind to you but may do more harm than good. Read this question to find out why: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/41082/… – Nifle Mar 22 '10 at 9:30
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@Spiff would you be interested in writing a blog post about this, the question and your answer seem to have drawn quite a crowd – Ivo Flipse Nov 2 '11 at 9:05
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Good article, however the handover between multiple APs on same SSID often causes problems as the client will stick with the original AP even if the signal is well below the "good enough" threshold. E.g. if you move your laptop from one end of the house to the other it will not switch simply to the new AP when it finds the AP with the much stronger signal, rather it will stick with the original AP until the signal is so weak and erratic (<5mb) that it can non longer be used. In many cases the signal may bet so weak that the laptop can not surf the net or communicate with network devises but laptop will still use original AP as it can still see a very weak signal. To fix this requires a manual intervention to force AP switch (eg repair or reset of wireless connection on laptop)

In short the following statement is questionable: "Once on the network, clients stay with the same AP as long as it's meeting the client's needs (i.e. as long as it's signal strength is above a "good enough" threshold). If the client later thinks it could be better off with another AP on that network, it'll do periodic scans of all channels looking for other APs publishing that SSID. If a scan turns up a candidate AP that's enough better than the AP it's currently on, it'll automatically roam to the other AP, usually without so much as a missed frame"

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@MRC- Agreed. This is an informative article, but with your basic wireless client, I don't see it switching seamlessly as needed. Typically some network disruption is necessary to force the handoff. Depending on the wireless client, radios, and software running, this is possible, but it would require some testing with your own devices. Some might roam fine, others may not. Still a workable setup though. – user103803 Nov 2 '11 at 6:07
While I've found this to be true, the same problem occurs when using 2 SSIDs – Bart van Heukelom Dec 13 '11 at 23:55

If you use something like an Airport Express it has an option to extend another WDS network. I would assume that other routers have a similar feature accessible through their respective configuration panels.

It's difficult to provide a working solution without knowing more about your network setup.

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Like @kaerast commented on another answer, the original question states that he has cabling in place already to do a wired backhaul, so the suggestion of doing WDS would just be a waste of wireless bandwidth. – Spiff Mar 21 '10 at 23:52

I believe that you are looking for wlan/wifi repeaters. Here is a tutorial: Extend WLAN Range with Repeaters

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The original question states that wired network is available throughout the house. Therefore a repeater is not necessary, simply a second access point operating on a different channel but with the same ssid and key. – kaerast Mar 21 '10 at 19:32
@kaerast, didn't you just give an answer? Just configure the 2 wireless routers to have the same ssid and other settings but work on different channels.. possibly have to do some sorta work with dhcp (two different ranges) but should work.. – Earlz Mar 21 '10 at 20:00

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