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How do services like Google Latitude, through my browser, obviously through my Internet connection (Ethernet not Wi-Fi), obtain my location perfectly with only my current public IP address? By asking my ISP?

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use the Accept, @Luke – Sathya Jun 22 '11 at 14:32
Google maps doesn't show the correct location on mine.There aren't any nearby routers other than mine so could that be the reason – Suici Doga Jul 21 at 9:16
up vote 8 down vote accepted

Google Latitude uses a proprietary Google service that operates on the exact same principal as the more popular Skyhook Wireless system. The software takes readings from your wifi adapter, and compares these to a database of known wireless networks and their locations, allowing for the triangulation of your position based on signal strengths. This allows the service to determine an accurate location without GPS.

The database of WiFi networks is quite extensive and comes from multiple sources. First, they likely import from public databases like WiGLE. Second, whenever a laptop running the service sees a new network, it's reported to the service. When multiple computers report a new network, its position can be triangulated based on the position of the known computers. It is fairly simple to keep a database of all wireless networks because all wireless networks (even those with the same ESSID) have a unique interface MAC address assigned by the manufacturer.

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+1. Also, the Google Maps Street View cars notoriously record Wi-Fi network data as well, and I would be shocked if Google Android phones don't record Wi-Fi network location data as well. – Spiff Apr 22 '11 at 7:41
I understand this perfectly, but the fact is that, as I said on my question, I'm not over Wi-Fi, but through an ethernet cable directly to my router. Therefore, I think that for this case, Amazed's answer fits the best. Unless you can add something else now? Thanks! – zeminlu Apr 24 '11 at 15:26
If your computer has a wifi interface at all, it's being used, even if it is not connected. If you're on a device with no wireless adapter, then yes, ip geolocation is used. But I believe the best accuracy that can be achieved this way is around 2 kilometers. – jcrawfordor Apr 25 '11 at 5:49
Some recent research has IP geolocation down to <700 meters now. There's an interesting article on New Scientist about it. – nhinkle May 2 '11 at 8:08

[Please upvote/accept @jcrawfordor's answer, but I wanted to add some information and the comment box character limit was too small, so I decided put this as an Answer instead.]

Please note the web browser Geolocation API. You probably forgot that the first time you visited Google Latitude, you gave your browser permission to let Google Latitude access your Mac's Location Services data. For browsers that don't support the Geolocation API natively, there are downloadable browser plug-ins or Java applets that provide this kind of feature, almost always by querying your Wi-Fi card for what networks it can see around it. Skyhook's "Loki" technology is a Java applet, but since it needs to access system APIs to query your Wi-Fi card for network scan data, your browser has to ask permission before it will run Loki. Usually Java apps are completely sandboxed and don't require permission to run because they can't violate your privacy or access anything on your system.

Here's what Safari does when you first visit Google Latitude:
Safari asking permission for Google Latitude to access your location information.

Here's what Safari does when you try to load Skyhook's Loki applet:
Skyhook Loki applet asking permission to access system

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IP addresses are assigned to ISPs in blocks. If you know where a particular ISP does business then you can map a block of IP addresses to a general geographic location. It's not always perfect, though. For example, most GeoIP databases think that I'm located about 60 miles from where I actually am.

They can also judge your distance from their sever by looking at how many "hops" there are between your computer and their server and also by looking at where the hops are.

Using your IP address in conjunction with the hops data and other data sourced (for example, your system's language and time zone) they can further narrow down your location.

So, if a person's IP address were 220.123.321.234, their timezone was GMT+9, and their computer was configured for Korean then you could be pretty certain that they are in Seoul, South Korea.

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Positioning based on IP address is approximate (typically just to the city) and sometimes completely wrong (especially in the case of cellular networks, where it's typical to assign IPs in the wrong geography). There are techniques that get a more accurate position based on precise latencies, but they are largely theoretical and not yet used by any service that I know of. – jcrawfordor Apr 22 '11 at 7:32
Off the top of my head, AOL uses it. – Andrew Lambert Apr 22 '11 at 8:56
Seems to me the best answer so far, because as I mentioned in my question, I'm not over Wi-Fi but through an ethernet UTP cable directly to my router. I knew that with what you said, you could aproximate the location, but the fact is that it is indeed PERFECT, it kinda scared me a little bit, by pointing out my house with no error. – zeminlu Apr 24 '11 at 15:29

Although @jcrawfordor pretty much nailed it and the OP must have moved past this but just for others who end up here,the following is whats being done.

Google,Mozilla and several others have their own Wifi Location databases that get populated . Providers have an option to disable this mapping via '_nomap'to their wifi name(SSID) if they're concerned of privacy.

So location finding is merely an extension of a lookup based on strength of the signal. Furthermore these are private dbs i.e FB and Mozilla. You could examine a public DB like OpenWLANMap .

Hope this helps.

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