I have some USB 3.0 ports on my motherboard which can deliver up to 900 mA of current I believe. If I plug in a USB 2.0 cable, I can still get up to 900 mA right? I have some devices that uses USB charging and outputs from 1A to 2A but I'm not sure if the cable provided is a factor or not since I'm just using a generic USB cable for this.
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I doubt it. The USB 3 cable is different to USB 2, so I would expect the maximum to be dependent on the USB 2 cable.– user3463Jul 22, 2012 at 1:18
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2USB 2 supports up to 500mA and USB 3 supports up to 900mA (are you sure your devices pull the full 900mA?) The specs are more for supporting the higher data transfer speed than the higher power draw. A USB 2 cable may get hotter than a USB 3 cable when drawing 900mA, but I highly doubt that a USB 2 cable is going to “burn” from having 900mA drawn through it (at least not if used briefly as a short-term stop-gap).– SynetechJul 22, 2012 at 1:28
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@Synetech Well the power supply/charging adapter that came with the devices output 5V 1A+ so I'm pretty sure it supports that much at minimum. Since that is the case, I know that at least the USB cables that came with the charger can support 2A but I'm not sure if that's the general case for all other USB cables.– JackJul 22, 2012 at 2:18
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2You have it wrong. The power adapter says it supports up to 1A, meaning that a device (whatever it happens to be) that is connected to it can draw no more than 1A from it. That does not mean the device itself actually draws that much (especially when merely charging). Don’t look at the power-adapter; look at the device itself (near the power connector or on the bottom) to see what the actual input current rating is; it may easily charge from a USB 2 cable if it is low-power enough to not use the extra USB 3 conductors. Is the device even a USB 3 device?– SynetechJul 22, 2012 at 2:26
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1@Synetech No, I know that. You don't get my point. The fact that the charger can output 1A or 2A with the supplied USB cable must mean that the cable is capable of supporting 1A or 2A of current. You're not reading my question correctly. I'm not asking about the device. I'm asking about the USB cable. And most devices only supply a 700 mA charger because it's cheaper. There is absolutely no point for them to supply a more expensive charger 1A+ if the device can't draw at least that much. I'm looking at what is being supplied to me by the manufacturer.– JackJul 22, 2012 at 2:59
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If the output is only 900 mA, your device will still charge, albeit, a little more slowly.
USB 3.0 is designed to be backwards compatible with USB 2.0, and for this, I believe it is. See everythingusb.com and the Power Requirement Comparison table (from Buzzle.com for details.
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Oh I know it will still charge, I just wondered if a USB 2.0 cable can support 900 mA.– JackJul 22, 2012 at 2:15
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"maximum current drawn by the device may be as high as 1.8 A" Wikipedia.org.– wizlogJul 22, 2012 at 2:20
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there are 2 modes of charging. most laptops usually max out at 250 or 500ma i cant remember off hand. many wall worts are designed for high speed charging of up to 2A. Some systems may support such high speed charging from bios but that depends on the system. The wire size inside the chargers and usb cables are the same size as far as I know, though cheepos may not be. wire size is what limits charging capibility in the cables. I havent read the usb spec to see if its required or not but suspect considering wire size they wouldent want to have to mess with more sizes of wire.– KendrickJul 22, 2012 at 3:59
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Powered usb hubs should be able to handle high speed charging as well. My usb2 powered hub is rated for 1A.– KendrickJul 22, 2012 at 4:02
I think the answer you are looking for is all about the cheap cables some companies supply, and if they can cope with carrying the full 900mA.
No, not all cables are capable of carrying the full 900mA. It will depend on what size the wires are in both diameter (gauge) and length. The length is seldom considered when using cables. If you try to draw 900mA down a short cable then you may be able to, but if you try to draw the same 900mA down a 3 meter cable then most likely you will fail and it could even cause a fire by either the connector or the cable getting hot.
Some of the makers of USB cables try saving money by using wire so small that it cannot cope with the extra 400mA difference between the 500mA of a USB2 and the 900mA of USB3.
If you do go ahead, then make sure you test to see if the cable or plug gets hot after using it for a while. 10 to 15 minutes at least, and do not just plug it in and then come back after the time is up - make sure you keep an eye on it for the full duration. I personally keep one of those laser thermometers next to me to check the temperature of the wire and plugs before starting the test, and the temperature as time passes.
WHY is this so difficult? Because people keep talking about the SPEC and not the hardware! The spec refers to how much power a USB device CAN use and therefore how much power the USB connector must supply. USB2 is 500ma, so all USB2 connections supply 500ma. USB3 is 900ma, so all USB3 connections supply 900ma (some may supply more to comply with the charging spec). HARDWARE wise, the power pins on a USB3A or B connector are the SAME pins as on a USB2A or B connector. The USB3 connector simply adds 5 pins which are +Rx, -Rx, +Tx, -TX, and GRD/DRAIN. Notice, not more power pins. SO, if you plug a USB2 device into a USB3A or B connector you can draw up to the limit of that connection.
What this means in real life. A USB2 device will charge faster in a USB3 connector. A USB2 portable HDD will probably work without the need to plug in both A connectors or to add an external power source. If the USB3 port supports charging currents, you could probably use a USB2 4 port expander without an external power source. If you plug a USB3 device into a USB2 socket, it may or may not work depending on how much current the USB3 device needs. If it is labeled as backward compatible, then is must draw 500ma or less.
PLEASE note: Current or AMPS or ma is the amount of current AVAILABLE. How much current the device DRAWS is a function of the device. You could have 10,000 amps available, and no harm will come to your device because it only needs 500ma and that is all it will draw - unless of course your DEVICE is broken, then it might be a pretty fireworks show - or not so pretty. VOLTS on the other hand is the pushing force of electricity. Applying 120V to a 12V device will push the electricity clear thru the device and out the other side taking no hostages. This is where you research Wall Wart VOLTAGES. 12V on a 5V device is not good.
I hope that helps
Can a USB 2.0 cable support USB 3.0 charging?
USB 2.0 and USB 3.x (3.x includes 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2) have the same charging capability. What muddies the water is that some ports support USB-BC and USB-PD.
The current provided by USB 1.1, 2.0, and 3.x breaks down something like this...
100 mA - The maximum allowed by a USB 1.1 or USB 2.0 device before being "enumerated", that is being recognized by the host as connected. After this the device can request more.
150 mA - The maximum pre-enumeration current allowed by USB 3.x.
450 mA - Minimum allowed current supply by a host to meet USB 1.1 spec.
500 mA - Minimum allowed current supply by a hub to meet USB 3.x spec.
900 mA - Minimum allowed current supply by a host to meet USB 2.0 and USB 3.x spec, maximum current device can draw under USB 1.1 spec.
1.5 A - Maximum allowed current draw by a single device under USB 2.0 and USB 3.x.
But it doesn't end there. With the trend to people using USB-A ports as a means to charge batteries on portable electronic devices there's there's a means by which a USB-A port on a computer, hub, or charger to supply more than 1.5 A.
1.0 A - USB-BC minimum allowed current from a charger to meet spec.
1.5 A - USB-BC maximum current draw from a host.
2.4 A - USB-BC maximum allowed current for a charger, some computers will source this much current using USB-PD. There are some older USB-BC specs that had lower maximum allowed current than 2.4 amps, there are few chargers built to such spec in circulation in my experience.
3.0 A - USB-PD maximum allowed current for USB-A, but few ports on computers and chargers are built to supply this current, at least to my knowledge.
Because USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 use the same voltage and current for power supplied to any device no device will charge faster under either.
But...
When there's USB-PD involved then a computer will supply 2.4 amps to devices, but not all host and devices support this. As other people answering have pointed out the actual current draw depends on the device. A well behaved USB device will ask the host how much current it can draw and then draw no more than given permission to draw. Not so well behaved devices will simply take however much current it likes.
USB 2.0, USB 3.x, USB-PD, and USB-BC are independent standards. By that I mean a USB-A port can support any one, all, or some mix of them. The exception to that is USB 3.x must support USB 2.0, going forward though I would not be surprised if USB 2.0 becomes optional under USB 3.3 or something.
While USB 3.x and USB-PD are independent specs there is a trend for a host that supports USB 3.x to also support USB-PD. Newer computers will have USB 2.0 "charge and data" ports built to include the USB-BC and/or USB-PD and therefore supply more power than any USB 3.0 port that doesn't support USB-PD or USB-BC.
If I plug in a USB 2.0 cable, I can still get up to 900 mA right?
Yes.
I have some devices that uses USB charging and outputs from 1A to 2A but I'm not sure if the cable provided is a factor or not since I'm just using a generic USB cable for this.
All USB cables built to spec will handle the current. If you have some old USB 1.1 cables, or cables not built to spec (indicated by a lack of the USB trident icon on the cable ends) then they can be unreliable in making a connection.
Clear as mud now?
No, it can’t because a USB 2.0 cable is different than a USB 3.0 cable, and both the cables have different outputs. For example, USB 2.0 delivers 500 mA and USB 3.0 delivers 900 mA.
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3The difference is more data wires. Power transmission isn’t changed.– Daniel BApr 28, 2017 at 9:28