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Why do I need to turn on WiFi to determine my closest location?

For some reason, my mac won't get the latest time from the NTP server if I am plugged into Ethernet. What could possibly be different between my wireless and my Ethernet? Date & time window in OSX

Update: I let my Mac sit for 30 seconds with this window open, wifi off, and ethernet plugged in. The location and date would not update. Turning on wifi caused the location and date to be determined within seconds.

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I think you may have misread what the UI was trying to communicate. Turning on Wi-Fi is not mandatory just to get NTP working. All you have to do is select a time zone manually. Turning on Wi-Fi will allow your Mac to triangulate its location from nearby Wi-Fi APs in Apple's location database, which will allow it to set your time zone automatically based on your geographic location. It's just a helper, not mandatory. –  Spiff Aug 26 '13 at 23:53
@spiff that was my though too. Even after letting the mac sit for a while, the location & time would not update. Immediately after I turned on wifi the time and location updated. –  spuder Aug 27 '13 at 0:28

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Apple uses a database of WiFi network locations to determine your Mac's approximate location.

Quoting Apple's support article on Location Services:

Location Services allows applications and websites to gather and use information based on the current location of your computer. You have to give your permission before the application or website can use your location data.

Your approximate location is determined using information from local Wi-Fi networks, and is collected by Location Services in a manner that doesn’t personally identify you.

They used to rely on the Skyhook Wireless database, but since 2010 Apple runs their own, based at least in part on data gathered from iPhones (which have both GPS and WiFi and can therefore assign approximate physical locations to WiFi access points).

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Not sure, but from the sound of what they are saying, you can choose an arbitrary location by nearest city - but this becomes static so if you move around, it may not be accurate. Alternatively, you can use Wi-Fi and it will appear to triangulate you. It is known that Google maps wi-fi routers to geographic locations and can use them to locate you. Not sure if Apple is doing the same.

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