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Hi

I am thinking of getting this ereader: http://www.aluratek.com/product%5Finfo.php?products%5Fid=102&display=All

Now one of my main reasons for having a e-reader would be to put computer books on it. Seeing how big computer books are to log around, I don't like reading them on computers, they go obsolete pretty fast.

However most of them are pdf format what I hear is not too good for small screen like an e-reader. So anyone ever read computer books on e-readers? Is it good? Is there better formats then pdf(that pdf can convert to)

Thanks

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I will be, as soon as my nook gets here! – Jared Harley Nov 18 at 21:12
nook? When is the ETA? Maybe you can tell me how it looks and stuff. I am really hoping it would look good since I just don't want to carry books around and with the already limited space in my house I don't want paper backs. – chobo2 Nov 18 at 21:31
Mine is supposed to either be here or ship on November 30th. I have a pdf copy of Microsoft Visual C# 2008 (amazon.com/Microsoft-Visual-2008-Step/dp/…) that I got when I purchased the book on Amazon, and I plan on putting onto my nook. I'm not sure how it's going to look, though - I'm hoping for the best! – Jared Harley Nov 18 at 22:21
Ok well if possible can you post the results? – chobo2 Nov 18 at 23:29
Depending on budget, you could also consider a tablet pc. No need to put money in the performances, so the minimum would do. And you would have no problem with colors, pdf conversion, or even basic things like searching through the book. Of course it doesn't help with the "looking like paper" criteria, but at least it would be easier to carry than a big programming book (and would take less dust). – Gnoupi Jan 1 at 10:16

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most eReaders have problems with PDFs (e.g. SONY readers don't do them very well) so i suppose it's best to convert them into RTF or TXT, then you may benefit from the adjustable fontsize of that reader (which is also sold as JetBook by a different company).

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The JetBooks e-readers look exactly like one I am looking to buy. I been playing around with converting pdfs to like epub and other formats to see how they would look. It seems to do an alright job but has trouble converting tables. So anything in a table looks horrible since it takes everything out of the table but does not put it back in a table. Too bad none of these readers seem to do chm file format. – chobo2 Nov 18 at 22:09
well, graphics, tables, etc, that isn't exactly reader material, certainly not for the cheap devices. they text and that's pretty much it. sure, it may display the PDF, but an A4 page on a 5" or 7" screen is probably not very easy to read. maybe in landscape with scrolling. – Molly Nov 18 at 22:43
The newest update to the sony reader (haven't updated mine yet) is supposed to fix this. – snorfys Jan 10 at 23:58
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I have had a Safari account for several years for the same reason that you are looking for an e-book ready - to replace carrying around a ton of books. The problem with using a e-book reader for computer books (at least for programming books) - no cut and paste! I find a bit of code in Safari and I can c&p into my editor and make it work. Can't do that with an e-book!

I also have an Amazon Kindle. I have converted some PDFs to AMZN format via their site. It doesn't convert very well.

I haven't purchased any computer books for the Kindle, but I would be interested to know if you can copy and paste code from their Kindle for PC software. Then you could have the best of both worlds - c&p and portability.

HTH

Steve

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Ya for me though that is not that big of a deal. Like if I am just looking for code to try out then I don't need really a reader. Its more when I am sitting done and want to read the entire chapter first to get a sense of what is going on. Then if I need to take code then it is just load it up and copy and paste. – chobo2 Nov 18 at 21:30
I've been meaning to hook up AutoHotkey to jocr.sourceforge.net or something. I reckon you could then make a shortcut which would effectively put the text of what you are looking at in the clipboard – Matthew Lock Nov 19 at 3:37
Just tried, results are pretty bad! Oh well. – Matthew Lock Nov 19 at 3:50
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Personally, to me, paper is still paper (although even paper is not anymore what is used to be).

All e-books related to work, I read on the monitor ... and I don't usually print since I don't even read whole of them, just the parts that interest me.

If something is really interesting that I'll think I'll read away from keyboard, then to the printer it goes, and to the table next to the couch.

But I can't imagine myself carrying an additional reader around, ... gotta look at some other things than just LCD displays.

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Of course paper is the king of them all. What you described is almost what I do right now. Like if I need to do a quick look for code I will just load it up and find it. If I need to read the entire chapter then I will print it out since If it is more then like a few paragraphs it gets to be too much to read on the computer. So this mean alot of stuff I have to print out then store in binders or buy the book wait till it ships and then have it sitting on my shelf. Then on top of it I have allergies so the more books I have the worse it will be for me. – chobo2 Nov 18 at 22:06
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I use my blackberry to read books (smaller than eReaders, yes), and Mobiocket Reader can import and render PDF files very well, even resizing images so they fit on my screen. No copy and paste on the blackberry, but I can set bookmarks, review them on the desktop, and copy/paste out of there if I need to.

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Can this be installed on any eReader? – chobo2 Nov 18 at 23:30
Mobipocket is ereader software for smart phones, i doubt it would work on the kindle or anything like that. I just offer it up as an alternative to buying more hardware if you have a good smart phone like a blackberry or droid. – Tom Nov 19 at 16:11
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I'd almost go so far as to say "try a netbook" but frankly most of them are small computers and not suited for reading.

My OLPC XO-1, however, is light and small, and it has an awesome screen (Pixel Qi technology; readable in direct sunlight) which makes it quite well-suited for full-screen book reading on the go.

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Well for me it is more these devices mimic paper. Thats one huge factor of why I like these thing since It is hard for me to read more then like 15-20mins on the computer. – chobo2 Nov 19 at 4:19
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The problem I have is that most of the books I want aren't available. Try and find certification books for Kindle or any other ebook reader. I REALLY want to dump the weight, but unless they have more than newspapers, magazines and current bestsellers, they aren't suitable. That and some of the better books have color.

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Thats why I don't want the Kindle you are stuck to there format. I am finding more and more computer books have pdf versions maybe not every book but almost of them are. – chobo2 Nov 19 at 4:20
Yeah, some like O'Reilly are good about that, some like Wrox and Apress are getting there. Microsoft so far hasn't for their cert books. The comment about color still stands. No ebook reader currently supports color for illustrations and it really helps. Describing 586B wiring as white/orange, orange... is possible, but a single color picture is better. – Blackbeagle Nov 19 at 19:23
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I do pretty much exactly the same thing. I'm traveling extensively, and wanted a way to carry several bookshelves worth of computer manuals and resources along in a very small car.

After looking around, I wound up with an Irex Iliad. The model is a couple of years old. They might have newer versions. I also understand somebody has out an 8 1/2 x 11 model...

That being said, I love the device. I read mostly PDFs on it (I have a Safari account through work). I tend to sort the books on my laptop, and stick the card I want into the device (the Iliad will simultaneously accept an SD, MMC and a USB stick). I can look at the pdfs on the PC, too, if I needed to cut/paste, etc. Most tech books are formatted a bit bigger than the Iliad, so reading them as PDFs on it means they are at around 80% their normal size or so. I'd have to do the math, but I have no problems reading them. I have 20/20 vision, fwiw.

E-paper is much easier to read outdoors, and easier on your eyes. Personally, I like to wander out to the pool, and sit in the sun while I'm reading. That's practically impossible with a laptop.

Things I picked the Iliad for:

  1. It's Linux-based, and open source. That tends to mean that there will be community support for any open format. There's either native support or plugins for epub, pdf, html and every other format I've needed.
  2. It has a stylus, and lets you write persistent notes directly on the document (they're stored as an overlay file, along with the source doc in an XML wrapper.)
  3. It can connect/load via WiFi, from any normal WiFi hot spot (contrasted with the cellular access in the Kindle, which won't work out-of-country. (edit: the kindle now has international cellular access))
  4. At the time I got it, it was a huge screen. It's no the biggest, anymore, but it's big enough for me to read comfortably (it also has options to switch into portrait mode, zoom in pages, etc, etc.)
  5. No Amazon-owned DRM. I wanted no part of that, two years ago, and my concerns have been substantiated over time.
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Hmm on the site they got the 2nd edtion that is about 8.1-inch (diagonal) so that is almost the width of a standard letter piece of paper. So I guess it would almost display pdfs pretty good. The down side it is like $700 US what is way to expensive for me. – chobo2 Nov 29 at 20:02
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I find that e-readers aren't very good for reading computer books. I have to flip back and forth between pages a lot while reading programming-related books, and e-readers don't handle that very well.

I used to like Safari's online books, but their current Flash-based presentation is pretty awful. Believe it or not, it's actually easier to read and navigate Safari books on the iPhone than on my desktop machine.

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I've had 2 problems with reading technical books (well, 1 is specific to tech books, the other is not). These problems only happen when you zoom in:

  1. Pagination: I usually zoom in 1 level because the type is pretty small. This causes 1 'page' to take up 2-3 e-reader pages. The last page doesn't flow into the next, it's just the last couple of lines of the pdf page. The new update for the sony reader is supposed to fix it, but I haven't tried it yet.

  2. Lots of tech books have 'notes' or 'hints' in sidebars; those usually get appended to the end of the page if you zoom in.

Now, when you're not zooming in, there are zero problems reading them on the sony reader.

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