I recently upgraded pretty much everything on two of my systems but my NVIDIA GeForce 210 1GB Graphic Cards.

One of my system has Intel Core i3 4130 which has Intel HD Graphics 4400 and the second one has Intel Core i5 4440 which has Intel HD Graphics 4600.

Since the GeForce 210 is a really old card, I am getting low FPS even on the lowest resolution and settings.

I should get a greater FPS if I use my integrated graphics because they are faster but I was wondering what would be the downsides of doing so apart from the decreased RAM available to system? Should I remain on GeForce 210? Also I was wondering if there is a way to combine the graphics processing power of both the GPUs and output it through the NVIDIA card?

Update: I cleaned and reapplied fresh thermal paste today and now the CPU isn't overheating. Idle temperature is now around 46 C. Using the integrated Intel HD Graphics 4400, I'm getting around 24 FPS on 1366 x 768 in Most Wanted 2012 (and 12 FPS on 1080p) but the maximum temperature the CPU package reached was 73 C. :)

Thanks @Hennes and everyone else.

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    Even the Intel HD 4400 is substantially more powerful than the GeForce 210. See, for example, videocardbenchmark.net/… – ChrisInEdmonton Apr 15 '16 at 16:19
  • Heh, I just linked that site in my anser (before reading this comment). A useful site indeed. – Hennes Apr 15 '16 at 17:49

The downsides would be:

  • The lack of dedicated RAM on the graphics card,
  • and you would have more active silicon on your CPU+GPU die, meaning the CPU might get hotter.

The upsides are bigger though:

  • The card is older, the on die GPU's are more modern. They use a lot less power, which means less heat, less cooling and a lower electricity bill.
  • You gain a free expansion slot on your motherboard
  • The on die GPU is a lot faster. Benchmarks never tell the full story, but the on-die Intel GPU is roughtly 2-3x as fast according to this site

Is there a way to combine the graphics processing power of both the GPUs

Theoretically: Yes. In practice: nope.

In order to use both CPU's you would need to present the OS a virtual graphics card which known how to use both real chips. There have been some attempts to do that, but usually it is not worth it.

Should I remain on GeForce 210?

I would dump the old card unless you want to use it for PhysX. Note that even used as PhysX card it may be old enough to actually yield slower results than not using it at all.

Update after lots of comments:

An idle temparature of

An idle temperature around 50°C with 40°C Ambient is not awful. That is a delta of +10°C.

It is not great either. I have checked my own Skylake CPU's and idle temps for both of them are +6°C. One with the Intel stock cooler, the other with cheap aftermarket cooling since it did not ship with a cooler.

+10°C is still 50% worse than +6°C though. I asked people who live in hot parts of the world and they are stay well below your idle delta. It probably means that something is suboptimal with your cooling. Either the thermal paste has dried out, is not applied correctly, the cooler is mounted wrong, or the inside of you case does not probaly a proper airflow.

When you try to run games you start using the CPU more intensely and you got more heat from the build-in GPU. THat should have means that the chip got hotter. Fan might spin faster. However given the capabilities of you modern chip vs the old card I expect that you would get 2x to 3x better performace with the on-die GPU.

... Except that it got very hot. Hot enough to throttle itself, lowing game performance significantly. Combined with the already high differnce in idle temps I would:

  1. Check the case openings (including dust filters. Those being clogged might explain things).
  2. Check if you have multiple fans. IN case that yu do, which fan pushes air, which one pulls? How does the air flow through the case?
  3. Check and remount the heatsink with fresh thermal paste.

If all goes well cooling should be significantly improved. At idle the point might be moot, but when gaming the CPU should stay cool and performance should be significantly better with the on-die GPU.

  • I'd honestly toss out the Phys-X option because with integrated graphics and a 210 you aren't going to be playing games that would utilize the feature above maybe 720p, and certainly not with comparable video settings enabled. Especially not at the detriment of the benefits gained by removing the card entirely (power/noise/space savings) – JaredT Apr 15 '16 at 17:53
  • I agree that I would toss it. But am am not familiar enough with PhysX to know the cut-off point for a usable card. – Hennes Apr 15 '16 at 18:02
  • In my experience, PhysX can provide a marginal bump in framerate for certain games which utilize it (remarkably few, but some good titles). The OPs computer is perfect for games that aren't rendering in 3D, but will be severely hamstrung as soon as it loads anything made by a major developer in the last 5 years. – JaredT Apr 15 '16 at 18:05
  • Would there be any impact on performance of the CPU? – Parth Sarthi Apr 16 '16 at 7:54
  • If you max out the on-die GPU then the chip will be warmer and there will be less headroom for exeeding it is normal thermal budget. (read: it might not turbo as long as as without using the graphics). I suspect that the differene will only show up in benchmarks and that you will not notice it. – Hennes Apr 17 '16 at 10:28

What would be the downsides of doing so apart from the decreased RAM available to system?

Aside from the RAM as you have already said, there would be no downsides, given the age of the video card you currently have.

Is there a way to combine the graphics processing power of both the GPUs and output it through the NVIDIA card?

No, there isn't. The only advantage of using both would be the ability to connect more monitors up to the computer.

Should I remain on GeForce 210?

That's a decision you would have to make but given that there are no downsides to using the integrated GPU it seems like a pretty good idea to remove the 210.

  • did you mean to say "good idea to remove the 210"? – Yorik Apr 15 '16 at 17:32
  • You're right :-) I edited my answer to clarify – Wes Sayeed Apr 15 '16 at 17:39
  • What about nVidia Optimus? Would that count as combining the graphics processing power? – 0x22fe Apr 16 '16 at 5:16
  • No. Optimus uses either the (relative) low powered Intek GPU or offloads calculation to a semi modern Nvidia GPU and passes the results on to the Intel's output. It does not use both at once for a single application. – Hennes Apr 17 '16 at 22:10

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