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I just replaced my scroll wheel in my mouse, a one minute repair. But now I've seen something that can't be unseen.

Logitech scroll wheels apparently function using magic.

It freely rests on three buttons that detect left, right, and straight down presses. But the wheel itself is not electrically connected to anything whatsoever. It's plastic resting on a spring.

How does the mouse know when I'm scrolling? And why was it affected by dust and gunk?

Edit: and how does it detect which direction you are scrolling?

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  • I don't know if this is the same for this mouse, but in the past, it was a laser that shines through the wheel, and inside the wheel were sparks (or whatever the word is, it has areas that are open and areas that are closed). If the laser was intercepted it could sense that it was scrolled and in which direction.
    – LPChip
    Nov 23, 2017 at 21:30
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    Look here. Each mouse setup is different, but based on the fact the pic you have posted shows clear mounts on the wheel implies there is an optical encoder at play.
    – Giacomo1968
    Nov 24, 2017 at 2:58
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    This might surprise you, but the old ball-mouse (not the modern laser-mouse) works exactly in the same way, except that it has 2 wheels -- for X and Y directions. If you manage to find and open one, you'll see that the ball is not attached to anything. Here's a pic: 38.media.tumblr.com/7d0bb30a71fba01f9c191fc48ca457f5/…
    – dr_
    Nov 24, 2017 at 13:27
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    The answers cover the way it's actually done; another possibility would be to use a Hall effect sensor, which basically counts electrical pulses generated by a magnet in the wheel passing a coil. Those are often used in power tools, car engines and other things that rotate quickly.
    – David Richerby
    Nov 25, 2017 at 14:25

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There's a diode (probably infrared) and a receptor, one on either sides of the wheel, soldered directly into the green PCB. Wheel is SPOKED, and by turning it you interrupt light travelling from the diode to the sensor. No magic there.

Oh, and dust sitting in there can permanently block sensor from any light coming from the diode, so there's no way for it to register interruptions, that's why the wheel appear to not work.

location of light transmitter and receiver, don't know which is which

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    now you just need to explain how it detects which direction you are scrolling
    – Sampo Sarrala - codidact.org
    Nov 24, 2017 at 1:17
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    Two receptors, spaced 1.5 spokes apart so that their interruption patterns are 90deg out of phase with each other. The technical term for this is a quadrature encoder if you'd like to google it. Combining these two on/off signals gives 4 unique "symbols" that appear in a specific order for one direction and reverse order for the opposite direction.
    – AaronD
    Nov 24, 2017 at 4:16
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    If you miss the good old days of cleaning off your mouseballs, cleaning off these spokes when scrolling gets slippy is a good replacement.
    – Doug Kavendek
    Nov 24, 2017 at 17:12
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    As stated this answer is incorrect since it specifically states that there are a singular pair of optical components, when in fact as AaronD points out, two are required. The edit to repair it would be simple, but as a factual change only Kitet should make it.
    – Chris Stratton
    Nov 24, 2017 at 19:35
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    @ChrisStratton That's a pretty minor quibble. A quadrature encoder is undoubtedly sold as a single integrated component. Example1, Example2
    – Mike Ounsworth
    Nov 25, 2017 at 19:57
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To answer your edit and expanding AAronD's excellent comment, the direction is sensed by a microcontroller by the sequence of the codes when the wheel is turned.

For example, the two diodes, when turning the wheel, let's say, counter clockwise will translate to the following sequence:

    A B
    0 0 
    0 1 
    1 1 
    1 0

For the clockwise direction, the inputs will be shifted in the oposite direction.

An excellent graphic illustration is also available here: http://www.creative-robotics.com/quadrature-intro

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I did some research and found out that there are many types of scroll wheel types. It is not just Logitech , but almost all mouse manufacturers use this type of scroll wheel.The one here is optical scroll wheel. This uses a light shining onto a photodiode through slits in a metal or glass disc. Reflective versions also exist. This is one of the most common technologies. Optical encoders are very sensitive to dust.

The optical encoder's disc is made of glass or plastic with transparent and opaque areas. A light source and photo detector array reads the optical pattern that results from the disc's position at any one time. The Gray code is often used. This code can be read by a controlling device, such as a microprocessor or micro-controller to determine the angle of the shaft.

The absolute analog type produces a unique dual analog code that can be translated into an absolute angle of the shaft

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  • Logitec doesn't use a Gray code, it uses simple quadrature modulation. This only gives angular velocity, not position.
    – Mark
    Nov 24, 2017 at 19:01
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    @Mark - quadrature is a 2-bit gray code, but yes, given that there are only two bits and many cycles around the wheel, you are correct that it gives only an incremental result and not angle as claimed.
    – Chris Stratton
    Nov 24, 2017 at 19:38
  • @Mark thank you, I will study the matter and upset the answer . Thanks again
    – Vedant
    Nov 24, 2017 at 19:48
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I faced this problem last week and after opening up the unit and toying around a bit I was able to fully repair it.

The main problem is the slimy liquid that reaps out of the ageing rubber, the scroll wheel is wrapped around with this rubber grip. Scroll wheel with spikes If you see carefully the wheel has spikes that allow the optical sensor unit to kind of see through it and it is due to these variations while rolling the wheel the sensor is able to detect if you are performing a scroll or not. Now the slimy liquid will reap into these spikes and block the sensor's view entirely which will make the firmware unable to detect the scroll action.

The solution is simple just remove the scroll whell and the rubber grip, and clean it with a soap solution, dry it and make sure you are able to see each spike clearly when put against the light source.

And you will find that it will be as good as brand new.

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