My question has two parts:

  1. I know that the "data" part of an Ethernet frame can be 46~1500 bytes. Considering the IP header of 20 bytes + TCP header of 20 bytes, the minimum "data" size of a TCP segment should be (46-20-20) = 6 bytes. Considering the UDP header of 8 bytes, the minimum "data" size of a UDP segment should be (46-8-20) = 18 bytes. So, can anyone explain why the lower bound of application data size becomes a high value like 6 bytes or 18 bytes; not a small value, like 1 byte? I believe I am missing something.

  2. I found a couple of explanations[1][2] that the minimum size of an IP packet should be 64 bytes. I think the explanation in the above links are correct. In that case, why is not the minimum "data" size of an Ethernet frame (64-20-20) = 24 bytes?

Can anyone explain this more clearly?

2 Answers 2


The minimum frame size for Ethernet is dictated at 64 bytes (as also described in your references).

DMAC + SMAC + EtherType + Payload + CRC  
 6   +  6   +     2     +    46   +  4  = 64

At layer 4 (TCP or UDP) the 'length' covers the layer 4 header and it is tracked in the IP header.
This means, for UDP the minimum expected is 8 bytes (for its header). And, for TCP it is 20 bytes (the minimum TCP header).

The part you seem to be missing starts now.
While the Ethernet data length is required to be a minimum of 46 bytes, the IP length does not have to be 46-20 bytes. It can be much lesser than that.

So, if we had a 8 byte UDP packet with no data at all, its IP length would be 20+8 but the Ethernet payload length will still be 46 bytes. What happens to the 18 byte hole? It is padded to make the Ethernet frame on wire 64 bytes (for reasons you already know).

[Eth: DMAC + SMAC + EtherType + [IP: Hdr + [UDP: Hdr + 0data ]] + PAD + CRC ]

Bottomline: What you refer as the application data size has no minimum expectations based on this 64 byte Ethernet requirement. The PAD will compensate for any differences.

  • So, to make a minimum 64 bytes Ethernet Frame -(18 bytes Ethernet header/trailer + 20 bytes IP header + 20 (or 8) bytes Transport layer header + xxxx bytes of padding is used. I was confused with the statement "IP packet should be minimum of 64 bytes" made by many people, which is not true. Actually "an Ethernet frame should be minimum of 64 bytes" is correct. Am I right?
    – Adrian
    Feb 27, 2012 at 15:31
  • @Adrian, yes. That is the way all descriptions for padding go. You started backwards -- or, from the wrong side of the network stack (the application layer) and missed padding on the way.
    – nik
    Feb 28, 2012 at 16:05

Short Answer:
The minimum length of the data part of a TCP segment is zero. The minimum length of the data part of a UDP datagram is zero.

If an IP stack needs to pass a less-than-46-byte datagram to Ethernet, Ethernet pads it out to 46 bytes by adding padding bytes. The IP header has its own length field (as do the TCP and UDP headers), so those protocols never get confused and try to interpret the link-layer padding as part of their own payloads.

Additional Information:
Ethernet is just one of many, many data link layer protocols IP can run on. Ethernet has a 64 byte minimum packet length for legacy technical reasons (so that "collisions" could be reliably detected on max-diameter Ethernet networks, back when Ethernet networks were CSMA/CD and could have collisions — modern Ethernet networks use switches everywhere and are full-duplex on all segments, so CSMA/CD and collisions are pretty much a thing of the past).

Because we so often use IP over Ethernet, it's easy to forget that Ethernet and IP are two separate network technologies created by two separate institutions. Ethernet, standardized by the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) was designed to handle an unknown number of Network (layer 3) protocols besides IP, and IP, created by the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) was designed to work on an unknown number of Data Link (layer 2) protocols besides Ethernet. IP does not change its minimum or its maximum datagram size just because of one popular link-layer protocol. If the link layer protocol doesn't like a tiny datagram it gets, it has to pad it. And in the opposite case, if IP doesn't like the MTU the current data link offers, it has to fragment.

  • Thank you for your short answer with additional information. My conclusion is that the statement "the minimum size of an IP packet should be 64 bytes" is wrong. But it can be said, "the minimum size of an an Ethernet Frame should be 64 bytes".
    – Adrian
    Feb 27, 2012 at 15:35

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