How can Mac OS X tell what kind of RAM is in the machine? For example I was working on one that had DDR3 RAM @ 1600MHz and I thought it wasn't possible to know the RAM without physically opening the case and looking at it.How can this be done on other systems?
6Note: I've removed the comments as they weren't going anywhere. You can use Super User Chat for discussing.– slhckMar 28, 2013 at 14:32
@Celeritas: I've rolled back your latest edit. Asking why a developer/manufacturer chose to add or omit a feature from their product is not constructive.– KaranMar 29, 2013 at 6:09
@Karan I was wondering if the Mac hardware or OS is somehow different than the hardware Windows runs on that makes it easier to determine the type of RAM. It seems like a useful feature to be built into the OS so that people know what kind of RAM to get if they want to upgrade. You can edit the question to reflect what I just told you but reword it so it fits better.– CeleritasMar 29, 2013 at 7:24
1Since you've already asked whether it's possible to do it on Windows and have received answers telling you how, it's clear there's no fundamental hardware difference that prevents Windows from displaying the info if it wants (SPD data as you've seen below is stored on the RAM module, and is accessible to any OS/app that cares to read it). Beyond this there's no point really in discussing why exactly MS choose not to do so, even if it's useful for end users.– KaranMar 29, 2013 at 7:54
i2c bus is a standard that any OS can interface with. The SPD presents itself as a 128-byte, 256-byte or 512-byte EEPROM. The OS just needs to collect these bytes, which obey another standard called JEDEC, from the EEPROM using i2c and then use that data to figure out what kind of memory it is talking about. It's very OS agnostic.– LawrenceCApr 9, 2013 at 23:29
RAM sticks have a small chip on them called the Serial Presence Detect, which contains information such as capacity, preferred timings, manufacturer, and even a serial number.
SPD information is accessible by OSes using the i2c bus (which also includes things like temperature sensors). I think you can directly read the SPDs from Linux using various i2c utilities.
This image from the Wikipedia article has a good picture of it:
Some PCs have soldered on RAM instead of RAM DIMMs/SODIMMs. The firmware on these PCs come from the factory with the information about the RAM built in to the same flash storage that the firmware lives on - and then the firmware will setup a "virtual SPD" that OSes can use to query/detect in the same manner.
When laptops started moving memory onto the mainboard, instead of in sockets, they still needed a mechanism to emulate SPD info, so that your OS can correctly detect and show you information about the memory installed in your system. Instead of populating an EEPROM, they simply embed this info inside the BIOS FLASH. Part of the BIOS boot sequence is to extract an SPD table from FLASH, and create a virtual SPD that the OS can query.
That article specifically talks about a Dell XPS13 - and also mentions "resistor straps" - the firmware will check (via GPIO pins accessible via the chipset) for the presence of these straps--allowing the same firmware for different motherboard versions. From there the firmware sets the virtual SPD accordingly.
dmidecode --type memorylets you see some of the information. Apparently it can output a manufacturer and serial number, but at least on my system those are reported as simply
Nbeing what appears to be the slot number.– userMar 27, 2013 at 20:22
dmidecodeparsed something that the BIOS puts together on boot. The BIOS should read the SPD and report accordingly - buggy BIOSes are nothing new though. Mar 27, 2013 at 20:30
1+1 for the only answer that mentions SPD Mar 28, 2013 at 7:17
1It seems to me that there used to be a time when RAM sticks didn't have SPD chips... At least I clearly remember reviewing price lists for RAM where items were clearly marked as SPD and non-SPD (it was approximately at a time of introducing DIMM standard)– MikhailMar 29, 2013 at 6:04
1@Mikhail yes, SIMMs had 4 pins for "presense detect" - these were pulled high or low to provide an identifier indicating size and speed. ohlandl.ipv7.net/config/mempresence.html– ali1234Mar 31, 2013 at 3:52
wmic memoryChip get /?
Will give you various RAM information you can ask for right from the command prompt.
wmic memorychip get serialnumber
Gives you the serial number. You can also use
Manufacturer and more.
WMI is the Windows method of querying SMBIOS data. Apple, Linux, Windows and anyone else who wants to run on most hardware made needs to support SMBIOS at some level, for different reasons.
You can use SMBIOS (e.g. through WMI or WMIC in Windows) to also gather hard drive information, network information (is it a 10/100 or 10/100/1000 card?).
To take it one step further, every manufacturer has a code for MAC addresses on NICs. RAM also has a manufacturers code. So all you have to do to get their code, for example my 2 x2GB in this laptop are 830B, is build a database for the manufacturers (830B might be one brand and then resold too!) and also what models mean what. That is how CPUz works I believe—basic queries and a really complete and current database.
3Note that WMI is able to query DMI/SMBus information but is not the Windows implementation thereof. Additionally,
dmidecodewhich purely queries and decodes DMI information is available as a Windows port too. Mar 28, 2013 at 8:20
@syneticon-dj I am not sure you added anything here and your point is unclear. WMI is Windows Management Instrumentation, among its capabilties and duties is reading SMBUS. But if your point was all anorks are bnorks but not all bnorks are anorks... then yes, exactly...? Mar 28, 2013 at 11:22
My point is that your wording is inaccurate to the point where it gets easy to misunderstand. WMI can interface with SMBIOS but it is not in any respect its implementation (which resides on the hardware / BIOS side and not within the OS). Mar 28, 2013 at 11:42
It does say: "WMI is Windows implementation of SMBus standard for reading devices." And it is Windows way of reading / querying and knowing what is inside... But WMI also does a lot more. Mar 28, 2013 at 11:49
2@syneticon-dj - make an edit if it's wrong.– EnigmaMar 28, 2013 at 19:03
The memory speed and type is negotiated with the bios and can be read by the operating system.
There is a very good website giving you a deeper level of understanding about these things at http://www.computermemoryupgrade.net/index1.html
But you can easily figure out which types and speed you have without opening the cover via:
Apple -> About This Mac -> More Info -> System Report
Open Hardware -> Memory
You should see each stick of RAM including Size, Type and Speed (and for fun, Status to make sure it's ok)
On many Linux distributions (e.g. Debian), you can use the lshw hardware lister
sudo lshw |grep DDR description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1067 MHz (0.9 ns) description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1067 MHz (0.9 ns)
I guess that RAM, like all other hardware, reports its description and capabilities to the OS. If Linux can do it, I see no reason why OSX can't.
If your distribution doesn't have lshw installed, you can install it using your package manager, e.g.
aptitude install lshw
or download it from the project website.
lshwis not available on OS X:– slhckMar 27, 2013 at 19:51
@b.long kneejerk reaction because the question is tagged win/osx but not Linux? Mar 27, 2013 at 19:54
Indeed, sorry about that - I didn't read the entire question (or title apparently). I thought it was asking about any OS– blongMar 27, 2013 at 19:57
On Mac OS X run from terminal:
$ system_profiler SPMemoryDataType
This is great! Do you know if there is anyway to get the RAM timings on macOS? CL - RCD - RP - RAS & RC? I can find this in Windows (Boot Camp) with a number of programs, including HWiNFO64, CPU-Z and others, but I nothing for Apple. Thanks!– bafromcaAug 13, 2020 at 17:24
The RAM stick stores its timing, speed, and type on a little chip on the stick. How does your computer know how fast to run the RAM without corrupting its data? Same chip. Apple simply chooses to display this data as well.
3It's called SPD -- Serial Presence Detect. Mar 27, 2013 at 19:14
The first sentence doesn't make much sense.– userMar 27, 2013 at 20:24
2What about it doesn't make sense? Makes sense to me, and that's the first complaint I've gotten.– MarcusJMar 28, 2013 at 5:40
To complement ultrasawblade's answer, on Linux, to decode the SPD data, you can use the
perl script from the i2c-tools:
sudo modprobe -a i2c-i801 eeprom decode-dimms
Or for the HTML fancy formatted one:
decode-dimms -f | w3m -T text/html
(w3m being a text based browser/pager). Or of course:
decode-dimms -f > dimms.html xdg-open dimms.html
Speccy is a Windows software that will tell you many many things about your computer including RAM type/size/total slots/available slots.